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Halong Bay Forum: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

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 Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl 

I just returned from a 2D1N cruise on Halong Bay, and want to share my nightmare so other travellers don't get conned like me.

Prior to my trip I had spent hours researching and decided to go on the Dragon's Pearl operated by Tropical Sails. The trip was quoted at US$97 per person for 2D1N. For those who don't already know, it's supposed to be a luxury cruise on a Chinese junk with seafood meals and the works.

Unfortunately, as Tropical Sails did not get back to me in time on the availability, I did not book prior to arriving in Hanoi.

Upon arrival (at night), I proceeded straight to Hang Bac where all the travel cafes were. I went into this cafe which had the name "Handspan" on the door. I asked if I could book the Dragon's Pearl through them and the sales person said yes. He proceeded to show me this brochure which had pictures of the Dragon's Pearl which I recognized. He quoted US$77 per person and I was quite pleased, thinking I got a good deal. After all, it is common for travel agents to give discounts out of their commissions to get a sale. After 10% VAT and 3% for credit card payment, I ended up paying US$174, or US$87 per person.

When we arrived at Halong Port, I realised that our fellow traveller was a backpacker who would not have paid for the Dragon's Pearl. I quickly approached the guide and tried to confirm with him that we were going on the Dragon's Pearl. He said "yes yes". I assumed that we were simply being transferred to our respective boats out in the bay later.

We were ushered to this boat called the Bien Mo 25. I asked if this was going to be the boat we were sleeping on and the guide said "yes". There were a few other travellers who were not happy as they were promised a small group of maximum 14 persons and there were like 30 people on board. I asked them how much they paid for the trip. The price survey was that those who were doing a 2D1N trip paid US$30, whilst those spending an extra night on Cat Ba Island paid US$35 to US$36. Another Australian couple also paid around US$85, like us. I threw a fit and refused to get on the boat as this was not what I had bargained for, but the guide raised his voice at me and basically told me I had no choice as there was no transport back to Hanoi. He also called presumably the travel agent about the 4 of us who had paid 3 times more than others, and I think was instructed to let us have the air-conditioned cabins. He told us we would be getting the best cabin on the boat, with air conditioning.

Basically, what you get for US$30 is:-

(1) cramped, dark cabin with grotty ensuite bathroom;

(2) windows that cannot open properly;

(3) no electricity until 9pm, and it gets turned off at 6am;

(4) the cheapest food available - potato chips with every meal, vegetables, and small bits of a scrawny chicken and a small fish for lunch. Dinner was vegetables, a tofu-liike meat dish and prawns;

(5) being shouted at by the crew to "hurry up!", "if you spoil the kayak you have to pay US$600!" and really poor service, if it can even be called that.

(6) you have to pay extra for everything - water, drinks etc. The only time a free beverage is offered is coffee or tea with breakfast (2 slices of bread, with jam and an omelette).

(7) an air conditioner in your room which you cannot turn on as the remote control is kept by the crew. so don't let "air-conditioned cabins" mislead you into thinking you can actually use them!

Hanoi/Halong Bay at this time of the year is HOT. Most of the passengers spent the night on the top deck as it was simply too stuffy to sleep inside the cabins.

I'm not even going into the hygiene and cleanliness of the cabins and food prep - ignorance is bliss....

the "extra" we got for the additional US$57 we paid per person:-

air conditioning from between 9pm to 6am. The cabins were identical.

When we returned, our minibus transfer was nowhere to be found. Our hapless guide (a new one swopped on Cat Ba Island) had to beg another bus driver to drive us to our lunch place - a sweltering basement of a local eating place (I don't want to call it a restaurant). They don't believe in opening windows and turning on fans/A/C.

The Aussie couple and us were put on a "special" table as we were entitled to special treatment for being conned. The "special treatment" was an extra dish of porkballs. I also found a hair in the fried springrolls. We all had to pay extra for drinks again.

Upon our return to Hanoi, we complained to our hotel and were told that for that price, we could have gotten a private tour and the whole boat to ourselves. When asked if there was any recourse, like some tourist bureau or police we could complain to, we were told that there wasn't and calling in the police was going to be "complicated" and we should just see the travel agent directly.

We went to see the travel agent immediately. Having been forewarned the previous day by the first guide, he immediately said he was selling us the "Dragon Boat" and not "Dragon's Pearl", and said we had a special cabin and air conditioning. I retorted that the cabins were identical and asked how it could be possible that air conditioning cost US$55 per person more? He had no answer. When I asked for a refund, he flatly refused.

In broad daylight, I saw that the name on the signboard, instead of being "Handspan" as it did on the door, read "A-Z Queen's Travel, recommended by routard and lonely" (sic). The namecard I got said "Handspan". My credit card charge slip said AZ Queen. I noticed that every other travel cafe was called Sinh Cafe, Handspan, AZ Queen or Kim. Well, the one thing that can't be faked is the address. This crooked unscrupulous travel cafe is located at 116 Hang Bac. Avoid it like the plague!

Moral of my rather expensive story:-

If you have your heart set on a particular cruise operator, book with them directly.

If you don't and am easy with any boat, don't pay more than US$30 for 2D1N and know what to expect.

Oh yes, don't expect anything in terms of safety. There was no safety demo or information on where life jackets, life boats, life buoys etc could be found. I'm not sure if there were any. We heard that a few days before our trip, a 35 year old New Zealand man drowned when his boat sank. The Vietnamese crew did not even know how to swim, and the travellers had to take charge of the situation. The captain of another cruise boat which eventually came to their rescue did not want to let them on board initially, as they were not paying passengers. He also refused to give them any food and the passengers on his boat had to give their food to the victims of the sunken boat. There was no publicity in the media but the story spread amongst the backpackers.

Hope the foregoing will help you make an informed decision.

Seal Beach...
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1. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

I am sorry to hear that you have such a hellish trip. Next time I would recommend calling the police. I am pretty certain that the outcome will be a lot different had you call the police. These tour operators generally do not like to lose their licenses. They rather refund your money to avoid the hassle. Your other option would be going to your bank card to dispute the charges. Make sure that you have all of your paper work handy. Had you gone to the police, this would have been easier because you would have a report of what had transpired. I am glad that you posted this story so that others can learn from your experience.

florida & QC
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2. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

Halonghell,

Sorry to hear your story, it happens everyday there. Many boats have similar names, it can be confusing to see "Dragon's Peal" and "Dragon's boat". I wrote down a list name of some boats, strange they share the same name, for example, Huong Hai Junk and Hai Long Dream are the high end ones, ~ 87US up, same category with Dragon's Pearl. BUT I also saw the exact names, HuongHai junk, Hailong Dream, these are the 2D2N for 37US. Very confusing, but one thing for sure is you can tell by the appearance of the boat, very VERY easy to tell. The bad ones are the ones you have to walk over a few boats from the dock. The good ones would use a small canoe to transfer you to the boat, they do carry your luggage for you.

Like you said, you saw the condition of the boat upon boarding. The issue - your crooked agent tricked you.

I recently took Dragon's Pearl with TropicalSails, the food was excellent, good service. The boat deco was nice. I had upper deck bed, clean room. I had spent a lot of research comparing prices between sinhcafe $37 for 2D2N and $97+US 2D1N. The difference as you mentioned.

Safety --

<<There was no publicity in the media but the story spread amongst the backpackers>>

Absolutely correct!. My captain said a few months ago, he rescued a foreign customer but he could not get the VN customers intime and they died. Most VN don't know how to swim, they got in panic mood. Usually the captain fell asleep, the boats hit the rock, fire from the kitchen, a cigarette butt accidently fell into... these things so common, I am also surprised no media coverage. My captain said he tried to rescue westerners first, the local VN guests were next inline.... so sad to hear this story... to think how much a human life worth over there...

No life vests, no safety procedure. Good thing the water is relately warm and if you know how to swim, and calm, you probaby ok. Funny thing, my captain said people got panic trying to grasp their belongings, screaming for help.

I would not do a Halong cruise again, safety issue. Although I did a receive a good service.

florida & QC
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3. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

Halonghell, please send your story to LonelyPlanet and other travel books.

Beach,

File a report with the police? What would the police do? First, if you don't speak VN, you have to ask around to find out where the police station is. Second, it's so damn hot to walk around. The best to tell A-Z Queen's travel which she did. They did nothing because they think they still have million other customers to come.

I once saw a local grasped a purse from a westerner, the street police was just standing right there, stared at her.

Coolum...
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4. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

Hi HalongHell,

A dreadful story and I feel sincerely sorry for you!----happenning more and more---I agree with Book, the police are of no use to you in general in VN.

My personal advice( to others---you have had your miserable experience) is that I would never book through a "Travel Cafe" ---Ever!

I have not been to Halong for 2 years but have been 3 times over 8 years!

I would book through your hotel( they will use an agent of some reputable type)---place the responsibility on Hotel---they cannot afford to loose custom!

I posted recently the result of a discussion(face to face) I had with my favourite hotel at which I always stay in Hanoi---the booking girl there ( very resposible) said she could sell me a $39USD ticket which offers all the horrible things you mention up to a ticket costing $1000 for my own private car, a top class junk to myself!---that is a ridiculas extreme!

I made a very clear statement to the girl that I wanted a comfortable , clean, upper deck, A/C , good food etc----this she said should cost $85USD/person---what you paid!( I think).

There are 10,000 "Sinh Cafes"etc springing up everywhere all over VN( counted 5 in Hue alone)---I frankly would not know which is real and which is not!

The hotel is the answer---if you come back to hotel with a tale like that( despite fact you did not book through them)---they would be aghast---they would fear your whole trip might be "flavoured " by your experience!

The other is the highly reputable agents!

In some very, very minor defense of these "crooks", everybody that goes there is chasing a "deal"---Forget that---Like the rest of the world " You get what you pay for".( you certainly tried this--but scored a blasted dud)

Try a contrarian approach( being subtle)---describe your trip requirements to your hotel CLEARLY---allow them to make a few $$$---then if it does not work out ( which it will) you have some recourse!

In conclusion, I feel sorry for you---leaves a nasty taste in your mouth, when you should have come away joyously happy!

Better luck next time!

plover

P.S ---never bank on a VN person being able to help you in water---traditionally poor swimmers!

florida & QC
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5. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

AZ Queen's travel did show her the brochure of the Dragon's Pearl and she recognized the boat. She paid 87US which is in the same range with the price quoted by Dragon's Pearl, upper deck 97us, lower deck 87US, plus or minor a few $.

In this case, she did not get what she paid for. I have said repeatedly that sometimes you don't get what you pay for in VN.

She got ripped off 57US pp (114US for 2) - outragous. Come on, this is your hard earned money. 1US = 1.40US pre-tax .

People talk about how quaint is Hanoi, but they often forget about Hanoi people, they are very aggressive, try to scam you every angle. The best people are in Hoi An. I like Sapa, I've been looking to go there from China. I posted a subject how to get to sapa from China and no one answered. I sure want to avoid HN. Anyone who likes HN - junk shops, charm ??,

well thank goodness, we all don't like the same thing.

Coolum...
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6. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

Hi Book,

I am agreeing with you!---I have spent most of my time this trip away from the "tourist run"---The emergence of "nasties "is increasing and making it harder for first off travellers--must stay with reputable agents!---For the first time in years, HCMC was personally for me a let down!

I plan to confine all future trips to remoter but civilized areas where people maintain their charm!---VN is changing!

I will always return to be with the people in these areas---untouched as yet by tourists!---and for a lover of the people of VN thats a big statement!---I have personnally had a ball!--but the cities are loosing their charm!

plover

Australia
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7. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

Thanks for the information and what a shame you received such awful service. Would you recommend to book the trip on the internet or wait to get to we get to Hanoi as i will be travelling with 2 teenage children. Tried tropical sails having trouble with there internet site any other recommendations we are in Hanoi for 6 days.

Thanks

Sinkers

Coolum...
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8. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

Sinkers,

I would in your position email Tonkin Travel( Martin--an Australian who lives in Hanoi for 10+ years), who runs a first class service ( based on other posters comments) and get him to do the lot!

"martin-tonkin@fpt.vn"-----Talk with him!---he will get you best deal and protect you from the "hustlers"!

He cannot advertise on this Forum---but I would contact him and sleep easy!!

thoughts

plover

florida & QC
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9. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

Plover,

I am impressed. You are not a "local expert", you chose not. You know more than the so-called expert. I like your travel styles - avoid the tourist trap, stay in small towns. I love the people of Hoi An, they enjoy the slow pace of life, not so much interested in $$ like the people in HN/SG. Frankly, VN workers such as shopkeepers, hotel staff, tour agents, tour guides, are (upper) middle class people. They are greedy, want more and more. While many poor people on the streets, beggars, handicapped, hardly have enough food to eat.

If indeed the shopkeeper, AZQueen travel, is not doing well. All he had to do is to tell customer straightforward that his business is not doing good, he needs "extra" to support his hungry children at home, sure no customers would refuse to help him...

<<---For the first time in years, HCMC was personally for me a let down! >>

In which way? Elaborate.

Btw, what is "P" in your name? I've been thinking as palm, pot, peach ? Hahaha, Land help me out (*~*)

Australia
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10. Re: Beware! Unscrupulous agent conned me out of Dragon Pearl

Thanks Plover

Will email him right now and see what he recommends am hearing some horrible stories i hope i will be safe in Hanoi with my kids am starting to get cold feet. Hopefully martin can help with my tourist things.

Regards

Sinkers